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I included rogue examples with Haste because I gave the rogue Boots of Speed+Elvenkind. Since the character can do the haste himself, I included it in the damage.
However, I did forget that the Barbarian has a potion of Haste. Given that it's a one shot, though, I don't think it should be included in normal damage figures.
Also, the wizard in my group likes to go Haste + Shield/Fly/Improved Invis on the first round, then lots of attack spells afterwards. He doesn't share very well. Therefore, I don't count on him hasting anyone besides himself under normal circumstances.
The point is that I'm trying to provide examples that have "more complete" characters that I might actually play, instead of "Fighter, 18 Str, focus+spec" and "rogue: 18 dex, finess, focus, ambidex&2 weapon"
Also, I find the varying damage versus varying AC to show some problems with the rogue. Against an AC 25, stunned opponent (stun rules for a rogue), the Raging Barbarian is just a few points behind the Hasted Rogue. I'm not seeing some wimpy rogue doing more than twice the damage of a fighter type even against a stunned opponent. I'm seeing a fighter type about even in damage against the rogue DESPITE a stunned opponent.
BTW:
Barbarian: Half Orc with Greatsword.
Rogue: Human with Greatsword - who needs Finess when you can have 18 STR! The fighter levels were well worth the loss of 1d6 sneak attack.
However, I did forget that the Barbarian has a potion of Haste. Given that it's a one shot, though, I don't think it should be included in normal damage figures.
Also, the wizard in my group likes to go Haste + Shield/Fly/Improved Invis on the first round, then lots of attack spells afterwards. He doesn't share very well. Therefore, I don't count on him hasting anyone besides himself under normal circumstances.
The point is that I'm trying to provide examples that have "more complete" characters that I might actually play, instead of "Fighter, 18 Str, focus+spec" and "rogue: 18 dex, finess, focus, ambidex&2 weapon"
Also, I find the varying damage versus varying AC to show some problems with the rogue. Against an AC 25, stunned opponent (stun rules for a rogue), the Raging Barbarian is just a few points behind the Hasted Rogue. I'm not seeing some wimpy rogue doing more than twice the damage of a fighter type even against a stunned opponent. I'm seeing a fighter type about even in damage against the rogue DESPITE a stunned opponent.
BTW:
Barbarian: Half Orc with Greatsword.
Rogue: Human with Greatsword - who needs Finess when you can have 18 STR! The fighter levels were well worth the loss of 1d6 sneak attack.