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<blockquote data-quote="Lylandra" data-source="post: 9145224" data-attributes="member: 6816692"><p>Just stumbled across an old discussion/dissection thread we had when it came to the question on who should be Risur's next successor. Tiz originally had planned to name Auryn as the fitting candidate, but I actually argued against it <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p>Also considering the fact that she had much more connections to several powerful NPC than Carlyle, so it would be more balanced from a pure player's perspective. But from our point of view it also made more sense in-universe. And yes, keeping the noble title of "duchess" as planned in the original source material would have been better for the initial dynamic.</p><p></p><p>For those who are interested in the background stuff, here's my argument from back then:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">The question is which of the two would make the best candidate. Basically, Auryn and Carlyle are quite different on the "what's in it" side.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">Auryn has the right upbringing, is well-connected, diplomatic, and popular with a wide range of society. She also has the charisma and self-image to fit the office. Her mantra of solidarity and synergy fits well with the source of power of the King of Risur, and she has the empathy to care for the Risuri. She also has a clear vision for the future and has learned to listen to the advice of others and to admit when she has made mistakes.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">Carlyle is well versed in Risuri society and would probably not put his foot in it. He has learned to serve others and would likely view his regency from a similar perspective: Serving Risuri and protecting his country. In the end, after 500 years, he is a true, traditional Risuri, more than devoted to his country and absolutely loyal to the Crown and the nation. He is also diplomatic, though much cooler and more detached. He has great organizational skills and could probably run the place very efficiently.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">In terms of combat power, neither is inferior to the other.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">All in all, one might come to the conclusion (as you did) that Auryn might be the more interesting choice. The big sticking point is what ultimately speaks against it.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">In Auryn's case, it's primarily her loyalty to Elfaivar and her efforts to build a bridge and alliance between Risur and her homeland. If Auryn were queen of Risur, she would have to keep her distance from all this, or at least tread very carefully. After all, she has only been in Risur for 8/9 years and is still a "foreigner" so to speak. As the reigning queen, she is only obligated to Risur, so she could not come to Elfaivar's aid, just as she could not take care of the Mad Kings (it would be a bit strange if the queen started a war for personal reasons). She would also have to distance herself from the Vekeshi in the end, since she would be taking on the role of supreme guardian. There is definitely a lot of potential for conflict here, and if something were to make Elfaivar "burn," it could break a Queen Auryn's heart.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">(note: this was a discussion we had before the events of Starfall)</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">With Carlyle, it's harder to find hard reasons against his Kingship. He doesn't have a personal vision (yet), has little experience with so much responsibility, as well as with listening to the advice of others, and has a hard time admitting personal mistakes or bad decisions. And he's just not someone who can inspire the masses.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">So much for the IC pros and cons. Where I would now see Carlyle in the lead just because of the matters of Elfaivar.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">But then there is the question of how a coronation affects the relationship between the two characters. I think it would be more natural to have a Queen Auryn and an "advisor" Carlyle. Even though there would be a risk that Carlyle would fall back into old patterns as a "shadow servant". Auryn would definitely get along with a King Carlyle, even though it would be a completely unfamiliar situation for her. But I think she has reached a point where she has enough respect for the office itself that she would want to help Carlyle in his new role.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">Of course, it must be taken into account that there will probably be a royal wedding soon after the enthronement, which of course simplifies things, as it balances the power imbalance a bit. Auryn could take on a bit of Lya Jierre's role there, with a King Carlyle (hmm, wouldn't that have to be King Gabriel?) and promote Elfaivar-Risur relations, just as Lya intended to do with Danor and Risur. She would have to step out of her role as Eladrin less than as Regent. And in the end, she could make up for her husband's weaknesses with her openness and empathy.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">In the other version, a King Consort Carlyle would merely be a more influential advisor, perhaps taking on the socially and ecologically justifiable implementation of industrialization as his personal agenda. But in the end, this would be no more than a Harkover Lee, except that the Queen would share a bed with Carlyle.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">Last but not least, some OOC thoughts. I guess the "powers" of the king are not a deciding factor for either of us. In the end, it would only be pivotal for the two of us that "the other one" can play an equal role in the story and in terms of importance.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(65, 168, 95)">Since I wrote the text here and therefore can hardly speak about an option for Carlyle, it would not be too difficult for me with a King Carlyle: Auryn has a clear vision for cooperation with Elfaivar, the future of her homeland ("Light of Elfaivar") and her enclave, and hopefully the support of the Risuri people. And if we are already in a setting where power grows out of loyalty and faith (at least in Risur), then there will most likely be a creative solution.</span></p><p></p><p>In my own retrospect, this is a very interesting read as it touched upon several threads, struggles and individual developments that happened later on. But we will see what the future brings <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lylandra, post: 9145224, member: 6816692"] Just stumbled across an old discussion/dissection thread we had when it came to the question on who should be Risur's next successor. Tiz originally had planned to name Auryn as the fitting candidate, but I actually argued against it :D Also considering the fact that she had much more connections to several powerful NPC than Carlyle, so it would be more balanced from a pure player's perspective. But from our point of view it also made more sense in-universe. And yes, keeping the noble title of "duchess" as planned in the original source material would have been better for the initial dynamic. For those who are interested in the background stuff, here's my argument from back then: [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]The question is which of the two would make the best candidate. Basically, Auryn and Carlyle are quite different on the "what's in it" side. Auryn has the right upbringing, is well-connected, diplomatic, and popular with a wide range of society. She also has the charisma and self-image to fit the office. Her mantra of solidarity and synergy fits well with the source of power of the King of Risur, and she has the empathy to care for the Risuri. She also has a clear vision for the future and has learned to listen to the advice of others and to admit when she has made mistakes. Carlyle is well versed in Risuri society and would probably not put his foot in it. He has learned to serve others and would likely view his regency from a similar perspective: Serving Risuri and protecting his country. In the end, after 500 years, he is a true, traditional Risuri, more than devoted to his country and absolutely loyal to the Crown and the nation. He is also diplomatic, though much cooler and more detached. He has great organizational skills and could probably run the place very efficiently. In terms of combat power, neither is inferior to the other. All in all, one might come to the conclusion (as you did) that Auryn might be the more interesting choice. The big sticking point is what ultimately speaks against it. In Auryn's case, it's primarily her loyalty to Elfaivar and her efforts to build a bridge and alliance between Risur and her homeland. If Auryn were queen of Risur, she would have to keep her distance from all this, or at least tread very carefully. After all, she has only been in Risur for 8/9 years and is still a "foreigner" so to speak. As the reigning queen, she is only obligated to Risur, so she could not come to Elfaivar's aid, just as she could not take care of the Mad Kings (it would be a bit strange if the queen started a war for personal reasons). She would also have to distance herself from the Vekeshi in the end, since she would be taking on the role of supreme guardian. There is definitely a lot of potential for conflict here, and if something were to make Elfaivar "burn," it could break a Queen Auryn's heart.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)](note: this was a discussion we had before the events of Starfall)[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(65, 168, 95)]With Carlyle, it's harder to find hard reasons against his Kingship. He doesn't have a personal vision (yet), has little experience with so much responsibility, as well as with listening to the advice of others, and has a hard time admitting personal mistakes or bad decisions. And he's just not someone who can inspire the masses. So much for the IC pros and cons. Where I would now see Carlyle in the lead just because of the matters of Elfaivar. But then there is the question of how a coronation affects the relationship between the two characters. I think it would be more natural to have a Queen Auryn and an "advisor" Carlyle. Even though there would be a risk that Carlyle would fall back into old patterns as a "shadow servant". Auryn would definitely get along with a King Carlyle, even though it would be a completely unfamiliar situation for her. But I think she has reached a point where she has enough respect for the office itself that she would want to help Carlyle in his new role. Of course, it must be taken into account that there will probably be a royal wedding soon after the enthronement, which of course simplifies things, as it balances the power imbalance a bit. Auryn could take on a bit of Lya Jierre's role there, with a King Carlyle (hmm, wouldn't that have to be King Gabriel?) and promote Elfaivar-Risur relations, just as Lya intended to do with Danor and Risur. She would have to step out of her role as Eladrin less than as Regent. And in the end, she could make up for her husband's weaknesses with her openness and empathy. In the other version, a King Consort Carlyle would merely be a more influential advisor, perhaps taking on the socially and ecologically justifiable implementation of industrialization as his personal agenda. But in the end, this would be no more than a Harkover Lee, except that the Queen would share a bed with Carlyle. Last but not least, some OOC thoughts. I guess the "powers" of the king are not a deciding factor for either of us. In the end, it would only be pivotal for the two of us that "the other one" can play an equal role in the story and in terms of importance. Since I wrote the text here and therefore can hardly speak about an option for Carlyle, it would not be too difficult for me with a King Carlyle: Auryn has a clear vision for cooperation with Elfaivar, the future of her homeland ("Light of Elfaivar") and her enclave, and hopefully the support of the Risuri people. And if we are already in a setting where power grows out of loyalty and faith (at least in Risur), then there will most likely be a creative solution.[/COLOR] In my own retrospect, this is a very interesting read as it touched upon several threads, struggles and individual developments that happened later on. But we will see what the future brings ;) [/QUOTE]
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