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<blockquote data-quote="Bestbake" data-source="post: 8989151" data-attributes="member: 7040898"><p>The Red Avenger is a monk-adjacent prestige class from Sword and Fist, and it's a hot mess.</p><p></p><p>I just want to go over it's many odd points. I understand that this sourcebook was released pretty early into 3e and this isn't a dig at the author, design team, or editor. The book also received an errata that I'll be going over (and a web enhancement that I won't be), so there were multiple eyes on this book.</p><p></p><p>The class is pretty easy to enter, some BAB, some skill ranks, and some feats. The most difficult prerequisite is having the Stunning Fist feat, but otherwise most classes won't have an issue entering. You don't need monk abilities, it just gives you some monk-like abilities. Cool <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p>The first odd thing to note is that it grants proficiency in simple weapons, light and medium armour, and shields. Nothing weird or broken, just odd for a monk skewed prestige class. The studded leather equiped avenger illustration is rad, I'm into it.</p><p></p><p>The biggest thing to note is the class table, specifically its base attack progression. It uses the medium 3/4 progression, which can be expected for a monk-like class. However, the progression starts a +1, as if starting a level higher on that usual progression. The base attack bonus ends up at +8 at level 10 of the class. I could think that this is just a mistake in editing, but the errata touches up on other classes base attack progressions, so maybe it's intentional. If that's the case, this is a very unique boon to give a class like this- almost like an in-between of 3/4 and full BAB.</p><p></p><p>The next issues are the ki save, ki skill, and ki healing class features. Going by the table, these abilities are usable one or two times per day depending on the class level, though the actual text of the abilities says otherwise (they're usable 1 per day, per level). I understand that text trumps table, so it's not an issue, it's just curious that in the errata this mistake was addressed..... for only ki healing. The errata removes the 1/day and 2/day entries from the table, gives a "greater ki healing" when the avenger would get 2/day, and cleans up the ability's text to accomodate this change. The editor must have been aware of the disconnect of uses per day between table and text as this errata specifically addresses it, but again only for ki healing!</p><p></p><p>None of these points are issues for me, it just gets me thinking. Are there any oddly written/edited classes you like?</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry for this long ranting post about this class. I can't get enough of it, it's great.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bestbake, post: 8989151, member: 7040898"] The Red Avenger is a monk-adjacent prestige class from Sword and Fist, and it's a hot mess. I just want to go over it's many odd points. I understand that this sourcebook was released pretty early into 3e and this isn't a dig at the author, design team, or editor. The book also received an errata that I'll be going over (and a web enhancement that I won't be), so there were multiple eyes on this book. The class is pretty easy to enter, some BAB, some skill ranks, and some feats. The most difficult prerequisite is having the Stunning Fist feat, but otherwise most classes won't have an issue entering. You don't need monk abilities, it just gives you some monk-like abilities. Cool :cool: The first odd thing to note is that it grants proficiency in simple weapons, light and medium armour, and shields. Nothing weird or broken, just odd for a monk skewed prestige class. The studded leather equiped avenger illustration is rad, I'm into it. The biggest thing to note is the class table, specifically its base attack progression. It uses the medium 3/4 progression, which can be expected for a monk-like class. However, the progression starts a +1, as if starting a level higher on that usual progression. The base attack bonus ends up at +8 at level 10 of the class. I could think that this is just a mistake in editing, but the errata touches up on other classes base attack progressions, so maybe it's intentional. If that's the case, this is a very unique boon to give a class like this- almost like an in-between of 3/4 and full BAB. The next issues are the ki save, ki skill, and ki healing class features. Going by the table, these abilities are usable one or two times per day depending on the class level, though the actual text of the abilities says otherwise (they're usable 1 per day, per level). I understand that text trumps table, so it's not an issue, it's just curious that in the errata this mistake was addressed..... for only ki healing. The errata removes the 1/day and 2/day entries from the table, gives a "greater ki healing" when the avenger would get 2/day, and cleans up the ability's text to accomodate this change. The editor must have been aware of the disconnect of uses per day between table and text as this errata specifically addresses it, but again only for ki healing! None of these points are issues for me, it just gets me thinking. Are there any oddly written/edited classes you like? I'm sorry for this long ranting post about this class. I can't get enough of it, it's great. [/QUOTE]
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