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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9335844" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>But I'm not seeing my players be disgruntled with fighters. I'm not seeing players on actual play shows being disgruntled with fighters. When I look at tier ranking lists for 5e classes, fighters are generally in the middle to upper tiers. So we have the most popular class, that lots of players visibly enjoy, and is widely well ranked.</p><p></p><p>These do not seem like signs of a widely disgruntled player base. I'm certain that <em>some</em> players are disgruntled, because that is inevitable with a large sample, and you are clearly disgruntled. Looking on just this forum, you can find also plenty of examples of folks being disgruntled with how wizards are implemented, for example. But I am not seeing evidence of widespread disgruntlement with either wizards or fighters. Mostly, I think fighters are working effectively as advertised. There's room for improvement, and I like the 2024 changes.</p><p></p><p>So while it is, yes, possible, that fighters are widely popular <em>despite</em> poor implementation, to me the more likely hypothesis is that poor implementation is a minority opinion.</p><p></p><p>Edit: at this stage in 5e's life cycle, we know which classes and sub-classes are widely considered problematic. Monks, as a class. Four Elements monks in particular. Druids. Sorcerers. Rangers. Artificers, aside from battlesmith.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9335844, member: 7035894"] But I'm not seeing my players be disgruntled with fighters. I'm not seeing players on actual play shows being disgruntled with fighters. When I look at tier ranking lists for 5e classes, fighters are generally in the middle to upper tiers. So we have the most popular class, that lots of players visibly enjoy, and is widely well ranked. These do not seem like signs of a widely disgruntled player base. I'm certain that [I]some[/I] players are disgruntled, because that is inevitable with a large sample, and you are clearly disgruntled. Looking on just this forum, you can find also plenty of examples of folks being disgruntled with how wizards are implemented, for example. But I am not seeing evidence of widespread disgruntlement with either wizards or fighters. Mostly, I think fighters are working effectively as advertised. There's room for improvement, and I like the 2024 changes. So while it is, yes, possible, that fighters are widely popular [I]despite[/I] poor implementation, to me the more likely hypothesis is that poor implementation is a minority opinion. Edit: at this stage in 5e's life cycle, we know which classes and sub-classes are widely considered problematic. Monks, as a class. Four Elements monks in particular. Druids. Sorcerers. Rangers. Artificers, aside from battlesmith. [/QUOTE]
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