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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9233556" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>Okayso...</p><p></p><p>The point is that there's two waves of immigration. One which joins the local culture and becomes a part of a greater society by learning to live with their neighbors, and a contrasting group of immigrants who seek conquest. The contrasting group -is- an imperialistic and capitalistic force, meant to play into the "American Danger" of losing one's soul piece by piece as they occupy other settled lands.</p><p></p><p>The difference between ordinary settlers and conquerors shown in relief against each other. And the response of the natives and the settlers to the imperialistic force.</p><p></p><p>Everyone is meant to be "American Settlers"... but a direct contrast in method. Because, historically, you had both. And one set were good people and one (much larger) set were bad people.</p><p></p><p>I have been concerned about historical white washing, yeah. Though this is meant, explicitly, to be an allegorical fantasy rather than a historical retelling. And no, black people aren't specifically or historically slaves in the setting, they're just part of the population same as in most campaign settings.</p><p></p><p>"What could have been" rather than "What was"</p><p></p><p>And yeah. The Kilnlands in the west on the far side of the Stonefather Mountains are where the East Asian allegories settled. Beyond the Great Basin. (California comes from Kiln, etymologically)</p><p></p><p>One of the big reasons I've been itchy about making this into a published work is the issue of history. Of white washing, of white saviors, of generally handling it poorly 'cause no matter how you frame it, an allegorical America is still going to -be- America.</p><p></p><p>That's kind of what it is, yeah.</p><p></p><p>You've got the dozens of nations of native peoples that settlers have integrated into peacefully, and the Evil Empire. Whether it's actually a straight up Empire with an Emperor or instead a capitalist conglomerate Cyberpunk style is still up in the air. Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "Empire"? But the core conceit is 'Right way and Wrong way'. (And Historically, America and other colonizers did it the wrong way)</p><p></p><p>Cultural Imperialism, after all, doesn't require an Emperor. Just to override other cultures with one's own. (Media Empires, for example)</p><p></p><p>That might be a bit -too- close to making it a Historical Fiction rather than a Fantasy Allegory.</p><p></p><p>D&D First, Western Second, America Third.</p><p></p><p>Consider: Firefly.</p><p></p><p>It's a Sci-Fi setting that has a very western style and is connected to history only tangentially. The idea that China and the US formed "The Alliance" is really the only thing that anchors it to Earth in the present, much less the past.</p><p></p><p>For this setting, snip that connection. It's not Earth, it's Faerun as a Western.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9233556, member: 6796468"] Okayso... The point is that there's two waves of immigration. One which joins the local culture and becomes a part of a greater society by learning to live with their neighbors, and a contrasting group of immigrants who seek conquest. The contrasting group -is- an imperialistic and capitalistic force, meant to play into the "American Danger" of losing one's soul piece by piece as they occupy other settled lands. The difference between ordinary settlers and conquerors shown in relief against each other. And the response of the natives and the settlers to the imperialistic force. Everyone is meant to be "American Settlers"... but a direct contrast in method. Because, historically, you had both. And one set were good people and one (much larger) set were bad people. I have been concerned about historical white washing, yeah. Though this is meant, explicitly, to be an allegorical fantasy rather than a historical retelling. And no, black people aren't specifically or historically slaves in the setting, they're just part of the population same as in most campaign settings. "What could have been" rather than "What was" And yeah. The Kilnlands in the west on the far side of the Stonefather Mountains are where the East Asian allegories settled. Beyond the Great Basin. (California comes from Kiln, etymologically) One of the big reasons I've been itchy about making this into a published work is the issue of history. Of white washing, of white saviors, of generally handling it poorly 'cause no matter how you frame it, an allegorical America is still going to -be- America. That's kind of what it is, yeah. You've got the dozens of nations of native peoples that settlers have integrated into peacefully, and the Evil Empire. Whether it's actually a straight up Empire with an Emperor or instead a capitalist conglomerate Cyberpunk style is still up in the air. Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "Empire"? But the core conceit is 'Right way and Wrong way'. (And Historically, America and other colonizers did it the wrong way) Cultural Imperialism, after all, doesn't require an Emperor. Just to override other cultures with one's own. (Media Empires, for example) That might be a bit -too- close to making it a Historical Fiction rather than a Fantasy Allegory. D&D First, Western Second, America Third. Consider: Firefly. It's a Sci-Fi setting that has a very western style and is connected to history only tangentially. The idea that China and the US formed "The Alliance" is really the only thing that anchors it to Earth in the present, much less the past. For this setting, snip that connection. It's not Earth, it's Faerun as a Western. [/QUOTE]
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