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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9138918" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Okay, there's a couple of things to discuss.</p><p></p><p>Firstly, I assumed it could assume a hybrid form in the same ranges as its dragon form rather than the previous "A weredragon's hybrid form is the same size as the base creature or the base dragon, whichever is larger."</p><p></p><p>Are you OK with that?</p><p></p><p>Second, we need to figure out how the new range of dragon/hybrid form sizes affects its Abilities.</p><p></p><p>It seems easier figuring out how we'd like the numbers to work and reverse-design the rule from there.</p><p></p><p>Let's consider three weredragons: the example creatures of a human wyrmling copper weredragon and gnome young gold weredragon, plus a storm giant wyrmling silver weredragon as an extreme case.</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Human Wyrmling Copper Weredragon</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Human Warrior Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Wyrmling Copper Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12</span></p><p><strong>Medium Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Gnome Young Gold Weredragon</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Gnome Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Young Gold Stats:</strong> Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16</span></p><p><strong>Small Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p><p><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p><p><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p><p><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Storm Giant Wyrmling Silver Weredragon</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Storm Giant Stats:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Wyrmling Silver Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14</span></p><p><strong>Huge Giant Form:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19</p><p><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19</p><p><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19</p><p><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19</p><p><strong>Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19</p><p></p><p>EDIT: No, let's make it so the Storm Giant so it goes all the way down to Tiny. Say, Copper Wyrmling for the Giant Weredragon and a Brass Wyrmling for the Human Weredragon. Have updated the <strong><a href="https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8006632" target="_blank">Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft</a></strong> so the example Human Weredragon is Brass:</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Human Warrior Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Wyrmling Brass Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10</span></p><p><strong>Medium Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Storm Giant Stats:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Wyrmling Copper Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12</span></p><p><strong>Huge Giant Form:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p><p><strong>Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p><p><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p><p><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p><p><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p><p><strong>Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p><p></p><p>Contrariwise, a more extreme edge case would use a Young Gold:</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Storm Giant Stats:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15</span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><strong>Young Gold Stats:</strong> Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16</span></p><p><strong>Huge Giant Form:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21</p><p><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21</p><p><strong>Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##</span>, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9138918, member: 57383"] Okay, there's a couple of things to discuss. Firstly, I assumed it could assume a hybrid form in the same ranges as its dragon form rather than the previous "A weredragon's hybrid form is the same size as the base creature or the base dragon, whichever is larger." Are you OK with that? Second, we need to figure out how the new range of dragon/hybrid form sizes affects its Abilities. It seems easier figuring out how we'd like the numbers to work and reverse-design the rule from there. Let's consider three weredragons: the example creatures of a human wyrmling copper weredragon and gnome young gold weredragon, plus a storm giant wyrmling silver weredragon as an extreme case. [b][size=5]Human Wyrmling Copper Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Human Warrior Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Wyrmling Copper Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12[/COLOR] [b]Medium Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b][size=5]Gnome Young Gold Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Gnome Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Young Gold Stats:[/b] Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16[/COLOR] [b]Small Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b][size=5]Storm Giant Wyrmling Silver Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11 [b]Storm Giant Stats:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15 [b]Wyrmling Silver Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14[/COLOR] [b]Huge Giant Form:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19 [b]Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19 EDIT: No, let's make it so the Storm Giant so it goes all the way down to Tiny. Say, Copper Wyrmling for the Giant Weredragon and a Brass Wyrmling for the Human Weredragon. Have updated the [B][URL='https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8006632']Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft[/URL][/B] so the example Human Weredragon is Brass: [b][size=5]Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Human Warrior Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Wyrmling Brass Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10[/COLOR] [b]Medium Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b][size=5]Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11 [b]Storm Giant Stats:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15 [b]Wyrmling Copper Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12[/COLOR] [b]Huge Giant Form:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 Contrariwise, a more extreme edge case would use a Young Gold: [b][size=5]Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11 [b]Storm Giant Stats:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15 [b]Young Gold Stats:[/b] Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16[/COLOR] [b]Huge Giant Form:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21 [b]Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##[/COLOR], Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21 [/QUOTE]
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