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<blockquote data-quote="Zappo" data-source="post: 1220853" data-attributes="member: 633"><p>I did read the post, I just don't fully agree with it. In 2E you could have clerics of good or evil, and these are the generic clerics working in the Athar in Planescape. The Great Unknown isn't even defined as something capable of granting spells until Factol's Manifesto. In that supplement, the introduction to the Athar states that Factol Terrance keeps his ability to be granted spells by the Great Unknown a secret, and presents this capacity as something special even among the faction members.</p><p> </p><p> In any case, the main point isn't whether generic clerics are in PS or not. Clerical spellcasting in Planescape usually came from worshipping deities, pantheons or alignments, but there were other powers granted by belief in other things. Extending this concept to admit clerics of ideals is in theme with the setting, that's the point.</p><p> </p><p> I understand that you don't like godless clerics, and I think that's perfectly fine. It is a matter that depends entirely on the setting, and it is a disgrace that there are players who assume that they can just pick Travel and Magic (so that they can have teleport and use more magical items) even after being told that in this campaign clerics must follow a god.</p><p> I don't think, though, that godless clerics make no sense. Even without having to bring eastern religions in the discussion, this is fantasy we're talking about. The idea of a goblin shaman worshipping The Elements and having supernatural powers related to his worship (mechanically speaking, clerical spells) is cool, and that's the only justification needed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zappo, post: 1220853, member: 633"] I did read the post, I just don't fully agree with it. In 2E you could have clerics of good or evil, and these are the generic clerics working in the Athar in Planescape. The Great Unknown isn't even defined as something capable of granting spells until Factol's Manifesto. In that supplement, the introduction to the Athar states that Factol Terrance keeps his ability to be granted spells by the Great Unknown a secret, and presents this capacity as something special even among the faction members. In any case, the main point isn't whether generic clerics are in PS or not. Clerical spellcasting in Planescape usually came from worshipping deities, pantheons or alignments, but there were other powers granted by belief in other things. Extending this concept to admit clerics of ideals is in theme with the setting, that's the point. I understand that you don't like godless clerics, and I think that's perfectly fine. It is a matter that depends entirely on the setting, and it is a disgrace that there are players who assume that they can just pick Travel and Magic (so that they can have teleport and use more magical items) even after being told that in this campaign clerics must follow a god. I don't think, though, that godless clerics make no sense. Even without having to bring eastern religions in the discussion, this is fantasy we're talking about. The idea of a goblin shaman worshipping The Elements and having supernatural powers related to his worship (mechanically speaking, clerical spells) is cool, and that's the only justification needed. [/QUOTE]
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