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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9255792" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Thank you for the thoughtful response, I guess I feel like there's a much bigger problem underlying all of this which is that facts, honesty and truthfulness have been continually devalued for the last 30 years in the West (and perhaps worldwide though I think in the developing world it's kind of different), and simultaneously, wild lying, just making things up, and being a hypocrite have become basically accepted as something elite people in society are just "allowed to do", so anyone under 30 is going to be kind of in a different world to people our age. But I guess that's getting outside scope. I just don't think it's YouTubers at the root of this, or YouTube's design, or even valuing clicks, I think it's a fundamental failure to value facts, expertise, study, and so on.</p><p></p><p>I totally feel you re: 18 months trying to get out of a bad job - I had to 11 months of that and even that had me thinking very bad thoughts. I think part of the issue with YouTube and the like though is that for some people, it's 90% a great job they enjoy, and 10% making videos maybe they aren't proud of, so they're not mentally in the same place of "This place is awful and I need to escape". It's Influencers (rather than Vloggers) who seem to have the most awful and demanding and obviously-bad jobs in this environment, and the ones where every single video is a calculated lie and they 100% know it. Unfortunately it seems like a lot of younger people think becoming an Influencer is the best or at least most plausible root to wealth/stability/housing.</p><p></p><p>Also wow I feel like I'm talking about classes in a cyberpunk game or something! Great! < head desk ></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9255792, member: 18"] Thank you for the thoughtful response, I guess I feel like there's a much bigger problem underlying all of this which is that facts, honesty and truthfulness have been continually devalued for the last 30 years in the West (and perhaps worldwide though I think in the developing world it's kind of different), and simultaneously, wild lying, just making things up, and being a hypocrite have become basically accepted as something elite people in society are just "allowed to do", so anyone under 30 is going to be kind of in a different world to people our age. But I guess that's getting outside scope. I just don't think it's YouTubers at the root of this, or YouTube's design, or even valuing clicks, I think it's a fundamental failure to value facts, expertise, study, and so on. I totally feel you re: 18 months trying to get out of a bad job - I had to 11 months of that and even that had me thinking very bad thoughts. I think part of the issue with YouTube and the like though is that for some people, it's 90% a great job they enjoy, and 10% making videos maybe they aren't proud of, so they're not mentally in the same place of "This place is awful and I need to escape". It's Influencers (rather than Vloggers) who seem to have the most awful and demanding and obviously-bad jobs in this environment, and the ones where every single video is a calculated lie and they 100% know it. Unfortunately it seems like a lot of younger people think becoming an Influencer is the best or at least most plausible root to wealth/stability/housing. Also wow I feel like I'm talking about classes in a cyberpunk game or something! Great! < head desk > [/QUOTE]
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