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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8508658" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>My mistake - I came up with 52 dpr (13 x3 = 39 and then an action surge for ((39x4)/3) = 52, I assumed you got 56 because because of sneak attack and didn't really think about it (or calculate it). Regardless, that is a CR 8 starting point:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]149726[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yikes, that is not how that works. The DPR gives you a CR 8, which is a +7. The actual bonus is +10, which is three steps greater than +7. Per the DMG:</p><p></p><p><em>"Now look at the attack bonus suggested for a monster of that challenge rating. If your monster’s attack bonus is at least two points higher or lower than that number, <strong>adjust the challenge rating suggested by its damage output up or down by 1 for every 2 points of difference</strong>."</em></p><p></p><p>Since it is three point higher, we only adjust the Offensive CR by 1. So that would be:</p><p></p><p>CR 8 + 1 = 9</p><p></p><p>Why are you considering the save DC? I would use the attack bonus not the save DC. Per the DMG you only use the save DC if:</p><p></p><p><em>"If the monster relies more on effects with saving throws than on attacks, use the monster’s save DC instead of its attack bonus."</em></p><p></p><p>I have sometimes gotten a little complicated myself and used a weighted average of both, that is rarely worth it IMO.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I guess I think your method is a bit bogus, or at least not following the DMG guidelines. Even if you used averages you shouldn't come up with 12.666. It would maybe be 9.5 at best. I think you should take a long hard look at your methodology as this is not a CR 12.666 monster offensively just by the eye test.</p><p></p><p>I love your designs in general and really appreciate this sereis, but I really think you need to revisit your CR calculations if your making a monster with a higher CR than the DMG / MM. The MM and DMG are almost universally thought to make monsters with an inflated CR (when used to the letter of the law) and yours is even more inflated. Just my 2-cents.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Finally, I don't really care how you calculate your CR, except that you claim the CR calculation per the DMG 17.833. Which it is not. I think it is dishonest to make that claim when you are not used the DMG correctly to develop that number. IMO it would be more accurate to say, "by my calculation it is...." Just leave the DMG out of it if you are (knowingly) not using it correctly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8508658, member: 83242"] My mistake - I came up with 52 dpr (13 x3 = 39 and then an action surge for ((39x4)/3) = 52, I assumed you got 56 because because of sneak attack and didn't really think about it (or calculate it). Regardless, that is a CR 8 starting point: [ATTACH type="full" alt="1641911151907.png"]149726[/ATTACH] Yikes, that is not how that works. The DPR gives you a CR 8, which is a +7. The actual bonus is +10, which is three steps greater than +7. Per the DMG: [I]"Now look at the attack bonus suggested for a monster of that challenge rating. If your monster’s attack bonus is at least two points higher or lower than that number, [B]adjust the challenge rating suggested by its damage output up or down by 1 for every 2 points of difference[/B]."[/I] Since it is three point higher, we only adjust the Offensive CR by 1. So that would be: CR 8 + 1 = 9 Why are you considering the save DC? I would use the attack bonus not the save DC. Per the DMG you only use the save DC if: [I]"If the monster relies more on effects with saving throws than on attacks, use the monster’s save DC instead of its attack bonus."[/I] I have sometimes gotten a little complicated myself and used a weighted average of both, that is rarely worth it IMO. Yeah, I guess I think your method is a bit bogus, or at least not following the DMG guidelines. Even if you used averages you shouldn't come up with 12.666. It would maybe be 9.5 at best. I think you should take a long hard look at your methodology as this is not a CR 12.666 monster offensively just by the eye test. I love your designs in general and really appreciate this sereis, but I really think you need to revisit your CR calculations if your making a monster with a higher CR than the DMG / MM. The MM and DMG are almost universally thought to make monsters with an inflated CR (when used to the letter of the law) and yours is even more inflated. Just my 2-cents. EDIT: Finally, I don't really care how you calculate your CR, except that you claim the CR calculation per the DMG 17.833. Which it is not. I think it is dishonest to make that claim when you are not used the DMG correctly to develop that number. IMO it would be more accurate to say, "by my calculation it is...." Just leave the DMG out of it if you are (knowingly) not using it correctly. [/QUOTE]
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