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<blockquote data-quote="Zimri" data-source="post: 1573032" data-attributes="member: 15991"><p>Read what I wrote dancer. You walk into a village and see an orc sleeping. Don't add things to the situation. If all orcs are evil you are saying go ahead and slash his throat while he sleeps, oh and make sure to kill the women and children so no more orcs get made.</p><p></p><p>Killing that orc is wrong. Killing that orc will likely feed the hatred that orcs have for civilized people. Genocide is wrong.</p><p></p><p>1) If my ally is in agreed upon single combat then there is no way I am stepping in. IF it is group vs group (as most situations are) then the attacker obstensibly agreed to combat with the whole group of which I am part. Since it is consentual combat my attacking him doesn't break honor.</p><p></p><p>2) Just society or lawless one makes little difference. I have never said he can't exact justice. She was in no danger of being "more violated" than she already was. I have some personal experience in this regard. The stain and wounds on her psyche were already there from the first attack. The amount of psychological trauma (in my case) doesn't get much worse after the first violation. The same is not true of a comrade in lethal combat where subsequent attacks can in fact kill.</p><p></p><p>3) Other ways of dealing with the situation are very much part of the concern. And you were the one who brought up the honor in letting someone die because you wouldn't act from behind. But I would just not lethally. The damage caused by seeing a lifeless body fall at her feet would be one more trauma the girl had to deal with. Having in fact found a fresh body I feel confident in my abailty to speak to that point.</p><p></p><p>4) The point is that further violation from the same man in the same manner has a lower psycholigical affect than having a dead body fall on you and spray you with it's blood.</p><p></p><p>5) The point is HE WASN'T GOING TO KILL HER. That thought was not paramount in his mind. The point is also that further sexual violations from him are likely to not cause much more psychological trauma (again I feel imminently qualified to state that based on past personal experiences)</p><p></p><p>7) The DM warned the player. The Player probably should have taken that as a warning from the characters god to the character. I have no idea who solomon kane is but I do know that if he would kill an unarmed unaware low level commoner from behind and injure an innocents girl psyche by making her watch it (remember she can't look away), and having the head fall in her lap (not much else of a place for it to go based on how the sword would have to swing) He is not at all acting honorably.</p><p></p><p>8) A paladin isn't JUST someone that acts with honor in mind. HONOR IS his armour and shield. It isn't something he does it is who he is. WHo the paladin is doesn't change based on who his foe is. He will no more lie to a demon lord than he will to a celestial. He would no sooner cheat to win a card game than he would to win a fight. He should give no less respect to the peasant that raises the crops and cattle than he would to the king for whose table they are bound.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zimri, post: 1573032, member: 15991"] Read what I wrote dancer. You walk into a village and see an orc sleeping. Don't add things to the situation. If all orcs are evil you are saying go ahead and slash his throat while he sleeps, oh and make sure to kill the women and children so no more orcs get made. Killing that orc is wrong. Killing that orc will likely feed the hatred that orcs have for civilized people. Genocide is wrong. 1) If my ally is in agreed upon single combat then there is no way I am stepping in. IF it is group vs group (as most situations are) then the attacker obstensibly agreed to combat with the whole group of which I am part. Since it is consentual combat my attacking him doesn't break honor. 2) Just society or lawless one makes little difference. I have never said he can't exact justice. She was in no danger of being "more violated" than she already was. I have some personal experience in this regard. The stain and wounds on her psyche were already there from the first attack. The amount of psychological trauma (in my case) doesn't get much worse after the first violation. The same is not true of a comrade in lethal combat where subsequent attacks can in fact kill. 3) Other ways of dealing with the situation are very much part of the concern. And you were the one who brought up the honor in letting someone die because you wouldn't act from behind. But I would just not lethally. The damage caused by seeing a lifeless body fall at her feet would be one more trauma the girl had to deal with. Having in fact found a fresh body I feel confident in my abailty to speak to that point. 4) The point is that further violation from the same man in the same manner has a lower psycholigical affect than having a dead body fall on you and spray you with it's blood. 5) The point is HE WASN'T GOING TO KILL HER. That thought was not paramount in his mind. The point is also that further sexual violations from him are likely to not cause much more psychological trauma (again I feel imminently qualified to state that based on past personal experiences) 7) The DM warned the player. The Player probably should have taken that as a warning from the characters god to the character. I have no idea who solomon kane is but I do know that if he would kill an unarmed unaware low level commoner from behind and injure an innocents girl psyche by making her watch it (remember she can't look away), and having the head fall in her lap (not much else of a place for it to go based on how the sword would have to swing) He is not at all acting honorably. 8) A paladin isn't JUST someone that acts with honor in mind. HONOR IS his armour and shield. It isn't something he does it is who he is. WHo the paladin is doesn't change based on who his foe is. He will no more lie to a demon lord than he will to a celestial. He would no sooner cheat to win a card game than he would to win a fight. He should give no less respect to the peasant that raises the crops and cattle than he would to the king for whose table they are bound. [/QUOTE]
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