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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8006277" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>This argument always falls flat. </p><p></p><p>If your DM is putting an unpickable lock on an unbreakable/liftable gate in place, they'll just keep on piling on the protections until the PCs are stopped so that the DM can tell the players the story the DM wants to tell, rather than giving the players a realm for their characters to explore. If the DM is trying to stop you, the DM can. Period.</p><p></p><p>In a game world where the design is attempting to be organic - where the PCs come across things rather than having worlds hand crafted to them - such as in adventure paths, you're going to run into these scenarios exceptionally rarely. There are really <em>none</em> in LMoP that I can find. None in the version of Dragon Heist I played in, either. You missed my point. If there is only going to be instance between long rests where there is an obstacle that could only be bypassed by the Echo Knight, then it that style of use of the ability was once per long rest or unlimited. You're saying that the spell slot has a huge cost. I'm saying that adding that same cost to this use of the ability would have no impact.</p><p></p><p>And if you do have an area where the abiity is extra useful over and over - cool. We build those into the game. Plenty of undead focused dungeons allow clerics to shine, for example. Tieflings eat up a fire based dungeon with their fire resistance. Lots and lots of this type of thing. They make the PC a star for a bit, and that is always fun.</p><p></p><p>If you have one of these PCs in your game and think they are overpowered, ask yourself how the party might have solved the problem the Echo Knight solved using other resources and ask if it really was such a big deal. They often do things in a splashy way... but overpowered? No.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8006277, member: 2629"] This argument always falls flat. If your DM is putting an unpickable lock on an unbreakable/liftable gate in place, they'll just keep on piling on the protections until the PCs are stopped so that the DM can tell the players the story the DM wants to tell, rather than giving the players a realm for their characters to explore. If the DM is trying to stop you, the DM can. Period. In a game world where the design is attempting to be organic - where the PCs come across things rather than having worlds hand crafted to them - such as in adventure paths, you're going to run into these scenarios exceptionally rarely. There are really [I]none[/I] in LMoP that I can find. None in the version of Dragon Heist I played in, either. You missed my point. If there is only going to be instance between long rests where there is an obstacle that could only be bypassed by the Echo Knight, then it that style of use of the ability was once per long rest or unlimited. You're saying that the spell slot has a huge cost. I'm saying that adding that same cost to this use of the ability would have no impact. And if you do have an area where the abiity is extra useful over and over - cool. We build those into the game. Plenty of undead focused dungeons allow clerics to shine, for example. Tieflings eat up a fire based dungeon with their fire resistance. Lots and lots of this type of thing. They make the PC a star for a bit, and that is always fun. If you have one of these PCs in your game and think they are overpowered, ask yourself how the party might have solved the problem the Echo Knight solved using other resources and ask if it really was such a big deal. They often do things in a splashy way... but overpowered? No. [/QUOTE]
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