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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8995420" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I'm sure that's true for you, but even among the most ardent fans, it's very common to admit that, depending on the fan, between 4 and 8 entire books (or 75%+ of each) could have and proably should have been skipped, and even from reading the first two books, it's clear that Jordan has a number of writing tics, together with a verbose style that make his books about 20-30% longer than they "should be" with a sharper writer who had planned or just executed the story a bit better.</p><p></p><p>And those are, as I understand it, those the better ones re: tics/verbosity/etc., before he became basically the best-selling fantasy author of his era, and his editors clearly just gave up.</p><p></p><p>This isn't a dig at Jordan - clearly that approach has value to some people. Personally, I'm just about okay with 600-1200 page books and series that go beyond trilogies, but I personally feel like the author needs to justify them by making every page actually have something of importance on it (i.e. characterisation/character growth/change, meaning, plot, insight, etc.), and that isn't even the case in book 1 and 2 with Jordan. His writing is the equivalent of one of those utterly sprawling anime series, in which 50%+ of the episodes are "filler", i.e. episodes which may or may not have "cool stuff" happen in them, but which don't advance the plot, don't really do anything but reinforce existing characterisation, and don't offer up any particular insights re: the human condition.</p><p></p><p>Sanderson has a related but different issue where instead of tics, verbosity and so on, in Stormlight Archive he just exposition-dumps/world-builds/makes Cosmere refs for incredibly long periods, and most of it is completely unmemorable and downright meaningless-seeming unless you're a true lore-squirrel - I mean, I thought I was based on my ability to absorb lore from various IPs (Star Wars/Trek, Mass Effect, X-men, LotR - which I don't even like!, and so on), but Stormlight proved me wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8995420, member: 18"] I'm sure that's true for you, but even among the most ardent fans, it's very common to admit that, depending on the fan, between 4 and 8 entire books (or 75%+ of each) could have and proably should have been skipped, and even from reading the first two books, it's clear that Jordan has a number of writing tics, together with a verbose style that make his books about 20-30% longer than they "should be" with a sharper writer who had planned or just executed the story a bit better. And those are, as I understand it, those the better ones re: tics/verbosity/etc., before he became basically the best-selling fantasy author of his era, and his editors clearly just gave up. This isn't a dig at Jordan - clearly that approach has value to some people. Personally, I'm just about okay with 600-1200 page books and series that go beyond trilogies, but I personally feel like the author needs to justify them by making every page actually have something of importance on it (i.e. characterisation/character growth/change, meaning, plot, insight, etc.), and that isn't even the case in book 1 and 2 with Jordan. His writing is the equivalent of one of those utterly sprawling anime series, in which 50%+ of the episodes are "filler", i.e. episodes which may or may not have "cool stuff" happen in them, but which don't advance the plot, don't really do anything but reinforce existing characterisation, and don't offer up any particular insights re: the human condition. Sanderson has a related but different issue where instead of tics, verbosity and so on, in Stormlight Archive he just exposition-dumps/world-builds/makes Cosmere refs for incredibly long periods, and most of it is completely unmemorable and downright meaningless-seeming unless you're a true lore-squirrel - I mean, I thought I was based on my ability to absorb lore from various IPs (Star Wars/Trek, Mass Effect, X-men, LotR - which I don't even like!, and so on), but Stormlight proved me wrong. [/QUOTE]
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