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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8259120" data-attributes="member: 7026594"><p>Except that the Grey Mouser is one of the greatest swordsmen in the multiverse. Similar with Conan.</p><p></p><p>I agree that thievery is very much core to the concept and to these two major influences on D&D, but the original Thief class crippled the archetype of the Mouser (and to a lesser extent Fafhrd and Conan; though AD&D gave Barbarians some thieving-related skills) to make it a supporting character who hides in the back of a party led by someone else. To a certain degree WotC has made the Rogue more true to Leiber by making it a deadly combatant.</p><p></p><p>The more direct inspiration for the TSR Thief (though Mouser is in there to a lesser extent) is probably Cugel the Clever, a sociopathic antihero constantly on the make, with no particular combat expertise but a heart full of larceny and pretensions of magical skill.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8259120, member: 7026594"] Except that the Grey Mouser is one of the greatest swordsmen in the multiverse. Similar with Conan. I agree that thievery is very much core to the concept and to these two major influences on D&D, but the original Thief class crippled the archetype of the Mouser (and to a lesser extent Fafhrd and Conan; though AD&D gave Barbarians some thieving-related skills) to make it a supporting character who hides in the back of a party led by someone else. To a certain degree WotC has made the Rogue more true to Leiber by making it a deadly combatant. The more direct inspiration for the TSR Thief (though Mouser is in there to a lesser extent) is probably Cugel the Clever, a sociopathic antihero constantly on the make, with no particular combat expertise but a heart full of larceny and pretensions of magical skill. [/QUOTE]
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