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[5E] Unearthed Arcana: Races of Eberron (July 2018)
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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7468814" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>I fear we have very different minmaxing targets. </p><p></p><p>The goal for any greatweapon wielder (I know of) is to be able to use your actual greatweapon (complete with any boons such as greatweapon fighting weapon style, bonuses from your weapon being magical etc) on every attack, including the bonus attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, as written Iron Fists is a pure ribbon ability. It lets you do damage in cases where you'd otherwise wouldn't, such as a barroom brawl between Fighters where nobody draws a real weapon. It is completely eclipsed by actual class features, however. What you get is essentially the level 1 monk ability, which nobody needs (not even at level 1, assuming you have a weapon - any weapon - at your disposal as a Fighter).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I said, the only way to make sense of it is to treat the Envoy as the luxury model. The only reason why you'd ever play a Juggernaut is if you aren't free to choose the Envoy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, it doesn't get anything too useful. (+5 Speed is not nothing. Would have been better if other Warforged were "slow" = 25 Speed)</p><p></p><p>But does that make it "ridiculously bad"? I don't think so - it's still a Warforged, with Darkwood core protection.</p><p></p><p>Per this analysis light armor is actually the best integrated protection mode in that it brings Rogues up to Monk/Barbarian standard:</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/91dflo/warforged_integrated_protection_how_good_is_it/" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/91dflo/warforged_integrated_protection_how_good_is_it/</a></p><p></p><p>You wouldn't want to pick Juggernaut for a Dex character. <span style="font-size: 9px">That Envoy is probably still better is just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>A Changeling Druid turning into something large and then... turning into something else large, doesn't scream "abuse" to me.</p><p></p><p>I thought you were talking about assuming a huge form, perhaps to grapple gargantuan beasts (which would be... if not broken, at least unique) which explains my comment "changelings can't increase in size".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7468814, member: 12731"] I fear we have very different minmaxing targets. The goal for any greatweapon wielder (I know of) is to be able to use your actual greatweapon (complete with any boons such as greatweapon fighting weapon style, bonuses from your weapon being magical etc) on every attack, including the bonus attack. Yes, as written Iron Fists is a pure ribbon ability. It lets you do damage in cases where you'd otherwise wouldn't, such as a barroom brawl between Fighters where nobody draws a real weapon. It is completely eclipsed by actual class features, however. What you get is essentially the level 1 monk ability, which nobody needs (not even at level 1, assuming you have a weapon - any weapon - at your disposal as a Fighter). As I said, the only way to make sense of it is to treat the Envoy as the luxury model. The only reason why you'd ever play a Juggernaut is if you aren't free to choose the Envoy. Well, it doesn't get anything too useful. (+5 Speed is not nothing. Would have been better if other Warforged were "slow" = 25 Speed) But does that make it "ridiculously bad"? I don't think so - it's still a Warforged, with Darkwood core protection. Per this analysis light armor is actually the best integrated protection mode in that it brings Rogues up to Monk/Barbarian standard: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/91dflo/warforged_integrated_protection_how_good_is_it/[/url] You wouldn't want to pick Juggernaut for a Dex character. [SIZE=1]That Envoy is probably still better is just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/SIZE] A Changeling Druid turning into something large and then... turning into something else large, doesn't scream "abuse" to me. I thought you were talking about assuming a huge form, perhaps to grapple gargantuan beasts (which would be... if not broken, at least unique) which explains my comment "changelings can't increase in size". [/QUOTE]
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