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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 9285240" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I agree, 5e is not some horrible game, character building works pretty well for example, though it lacks some of the interesting parts that 4e might offer at times. OTOH it doesn't force you to keep figuring out so much stuff either. It is just basically a better 2e, and 2e didn't do it for me. So, clearly it DID do it for Mike! We thus differ in our tastes. As for KotS, I think that was, well, an unfortunate learning experience for Mike. 4e doesn't suite him, but he thought he could make it do what he wanted, and the result was, a turkey. HoS I actually like pretty well, personally. The subject matter is cool, the fluff is good. I don't think most of the crunch is bad either, though 'most' is the operative word. The Shade is a sucky race that could just be a feat. The Binder is a weaker warlock build that, basically has nothing much going for it, though the idea is solid. </p><p></p><p>Overall my feeling is HoS follows on from Essentials in kind of trying to pull back on the power levels of higher level characters, overall. It just feels like the options given don't generally do that much for you, mechanically. I feel like that's almost a 2e-ism as well. I mean, most 2e supplements are filled with mechanically useless options (and a couple that are bonkers). HoS is like that too, with the Vampire being just stupid powerful, though very few people seem to have grokked its true potential.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 9285240, member: 82106"] I agree, 5e is not some horrible game, character building works pretty well for example, though it lacks some of the interesting parts that 4e might offer at times. OTOH it doesn't force you to keep figuring out so much stuff either. It is just basically a better 2e, and 2e didn't do it for me. So, clearly it DID do it for Mike! We thus differ in our tastes. As for KotS, I think that was, well, an unfortunate learning experience for Mike. 4e doesn't suite him, but he thought he could make it do what he wanted, and the result was, a turkey. HoS I actually like pretty well, personally. The subject matter is cool, the fluff is good. I don't think most of the crunch is bad either, though 'most' is the operative word. The Shade is a sucky race that could just be a feat. The Binder is a weaker warlock build that, basically has nothing much going for it, though the idea is solid. Overall my feeling is HoS follows on from Essentials in kind of trying to pull back on the power levels of higher level characters, overall. It just feels like the options given don't generally do that much for you, mechanically. I feel like that's almost a 2e-ism as well. I mean, most 2e supplements are filled with mechanically useless options (and a couple that are bonkers). HoS is like that too, with the Vampire being just stupid powerful, though very few people seem to have grokked its true potential. [/QUOTE]
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