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Dragons. https://beyondthepoint.co.uk/the-medieval-dragon/#:~:text=Dragons%20in%20the%20Middle%20Ages,iteration%20of%20other%20secondary%20sources. A lot smaller than our common garden D&D dragon. :)

If you're looking for an adventure in the boxed set which is less of a dungeon bash and more centered around building a relationship with a frenemy, I suggest looking at Trollspire (which I wrote). :) It has turned out to be frequently used when introducing new players to the game, and tries to...

Yeah, I used the range that's been the most used as examples in the thread. For me and my group, 1 page is a bit sparse, but if it's an intriguing premise we might run it. The most rules light we're running now is Mausritter where the first edition has 24 pages and various Mörk Borg variant...

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Yeah, that's the stance of everyone in this thread, there has to be rules to make it a role-playing game. But one of the things discussed is how many rules are needed. 100 pages? 1000 pages? 3000 pages? And it all boils down to personal preference. :)

The one that I think is the best is Red Moon Roleplaying, they are playing through TEW at a good pace. Grim and perilous are a bit too talky for me, it takes them forever to get anywhere. But on the occasions they get the pace up it is quite enjoyable. It might also take som time to get used to...

As an exampel of the opposite, in Sweden Dragonbane (in various rules light versions) has occupied the position that D&D has in the states since 1982. It has a fiercly loyal following, it is the strongest commercial rpg here and while it's not an international commercial behemoth like D&D, it is...

That's a core belief at Free League, at least for their Year Zero games. "Only roll dice when something important is is at stake and where failure has a meaningful consequence."

Well, there we'll have to agree to disagree. :)

Yeah, and all the rules light systems I've played adress that. Well, except my own Miami Vice rip off game where the players say if they have a personal characteristic that stands out, lists three things they're good at and get a gun and then when they do things they roll a d6 for resolution...

Doesn't everything land in that vicinity? The GM sets the difficulty, handles the consequenses of the roll, sets the circumstances. I am not blind to the problem of playing a game of "guess what the GM accepts", but to me it's a GM problem and not a rules problem.

I love love love the advice Monte Cook gave when 3e was released. Paraphrased: If you attempt something, start by rolling the dice. If the result is ambigous, look up the rule. If you need a modifier and don't know it right away, use +2 or -2. This will keep the game going without sacrificing...

We hash it out while playing. Player: I want to grab the chandelier and swing over the henchmen to land right in front of the villain! GM: Wow, yeah ... that's cool. Hmmmm, sure I'll allow it but you have to succeed a check agains Acrobativs with disadvantage, otherwise you fall in the middle...

There's a lot of headroom before they reach 3000 pages. :)

Sidenote, Free League are working on a book on magic for Dragobane. :) Nothing is known about it yet, but they've mentioned it in conversations at cons.

Thanks for that link, that went straight into the category of "things to bookmark because it was an awesome read".

Funny that, that is how I read the OP. A personal reflection on how the user feels about the amount of rules in a game. And some questions thrown in about what other people like.

Or the opposite. Not having every action codified might free up the imagination and let players act freely. When we played a lot of D&D4, we ran into that exact situation where players would be sitting there staring at the character sheet trying to find the action that achieved a result...

I think it is more likely that people have different experiences and that your style of gaming is not the only style of gaming. Is it so anethema to think that some people have played with a light focus on the rules they use ever since this hobby started? No one is saying you can't enjoy 3000...

Wow, cool for those who like that! IMO that's totally unnecessary but I have no problem with people wanting more rules for their table. :)