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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    Arcane is Blue Shadow is Purple
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    D&D never only committed to a decision of "Class as Gameplay Experience" vs "Class as Narrative Envelope" once. But But even if it chose either direction it would have surely surpassed the number 12 which is my biggest gripe with 5e all together m Either give us 15 different gameplay skeletons...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    The Champion is not a bad idea. The bad idea was linking the Champion to the same mechanical subsection (fighter subclass) to the martial subsystem (battlemaster maneuvers). Maneuvers should have been its own chapter with every warrior class tapping into it like casters do with spells...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    The community is diverse. That's the point. They won't all agree on the same things. That's how 5e turned out the way it did. That's also why a half dozen completely different fantasy RPGs are coming out this year and the next. WOTC has been milking name recognition as the most well known...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    I don't want WOTC to design around me. I want WOTC to not design around the desires of 20% of the community and have that decision hold the game and community hostage for 2 decades.
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    It's not just WOTC, it's a section of the community. WOTC just happens to hire from this section as it was one of the 2 dominant ones 20 years ago.
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    Did you see me in the Sorcerer threads. I know it won't get changed. I'm answering the the question in the first post. The issue is many don't like the answer
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    I think you are coming at it backwards. The number of people hung up on the "Wizard getting everything" is small. The number of people hung up on "every other fantasy archetype save the Warrior Cleric not getting half the treatment of the Wizard" is massive. Wizard Hatred vs Wizard Envy...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    The core problem is that the warlord that is designed within the 5e paradigm and mechanics is not worth printing. A warlord class that is worth printing that anyone would be satisfied with requires more paperwork than 5E is willing to do. It's the exact same problem the beastmaster ranger...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    And that's why the WOTC version of the Warlord doesn't exist. Because the top priority would not be recreation of the feeling nor tropes.... it would be reusing as many assets as possible to save page space for more wizard spells
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    A speculation 5e Warlord would need to be written within 5e's mechanics and paradigms. But again to me the biggest hurdle is that with as a class or subclass...the Warlord would never be a lot of the pain space to be fully complete in one book unless it was the Nentir Vale setting guide. Even...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    I for one don't want a spell slots system. Im more of a fan of a points system. Brainpower is my go to name. "I use 10 brainpower to use Quadruple Team"
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    I don't think it was intentional. Or at least it was not planned as vaporware. WOTC severely underestimated the diversity of D&D fans even before the pandemic boom and they wasted to s of time attempting to find consensus instead of making hard choices early
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    Ultimately. The Warlord threads go long because there is a percentage of D&D fans, some in design positions in official and 3rd party publishing, who are vehemently against having additional subsystems than spells, feats, and magic items And some against the last 2 as feats and magic items...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    Funny. There is a kneejerk reaction among many to claim any implementation of the Warlord as broken or overpowered but then fans say there is a decade of Warlord homebrew that any reasonable DM should allow. And people ask me why an official option from the primary IP holder is such a...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    Nah. The cleric had a few surgeless heal. The Cleric was a better healer than Warlord because of this.
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    Extra Attack with none to few base built in damage boosts beyond Fighting style is the norm in most homebrew and 3pp Warlords.
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    I hate the lazylord. The Point of the Warlord was the buffs and heals. If all of the classes power is hardwiring in the "High Damage Attack Action!" there is no room for buffs and heals. I want Warlords to attack. I want the Fighter and Rogue to attack as well with Triple Team Technique!. But...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    We've moved on. It has been 10 years. At this point we do have a dozen options to throw at a DM to say "Pick one". But the thread is about why doesn't an official one exist. The answers is the 2014 WOTC designers were biased favorably toward wizards and a lesser extent clerics and every...
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    D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?

    The Battlemaster fails at providing the Warlord because the top priority of Archetypes that the Fighter was designed to provide is the Champion. And the Champion was designed to be simple as possible by pushing most of the class power into attacks multiple times. This leaves little room for...
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