D&D (2024) The 2024 Core D&D Rulebooks Are Coming In May

Maxperson · Dec 3, 2023

Parmandur said:
There was enough of a difference to warrant a new ISBN, which is how Editions are marked in publishing. Just counting AD&D, the mid 90's refresh were the fourth typical edition in publishing parlance. This makes "Third Edition" egregiously bananas.

That doesn't really answer my question. For all I know TSR which was being run super poorly during 2e incorrectly used a new ISBN because of the new cover art.

mamba · Dec 3, 2023

Maxperson said:
These cars all have a V6 engine. They are not all the same car. Same engine =/= same edition.

This is a 2014 and 2024 BMW 3 series, to me this is a more fitting example

Vikingkingq · Dec 3, 2023

tetrasodium said:
Remember that a lot of your list there is mostly unknowns that are assumed. This is the same playtest ruleset that couldn't even manage to hold firm on updating Eldritch blast to fix the dip issues the 2014 version creates, it might be premature to put too much faith in those unknowns.

I don’t think it is. We know that WoTC has been moving from Legendary Actions to multiple Reactions in earlier books, we know they’ve been changing how they do statblocks in earlier books, and we know how many monsters are going to be in the MM. Likewise, we have a sense of what the new material in the DMG is going to be, because they’ve described the different sections in interviews.

Maxperson · Dec 3, 2023

mamba said:
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This is a 2014 and 2024 BMW 3 series, to me this is a more fitting example

Maybe, but it doesn't really matter to my point.

My point is that having the same engine doesn't make something the same. I mean, look at all the different games out there that use the unreal engine. What you do with the engine is more important for determining if the game or edition is the same.

Parmandur · Dec 3, 2023

Maxperson said:
That doesn't really answer my question. For all I know TSR which was being run super poorly during 2e incorrectly used a new ISBN because of the new cover art.

Google suggests that the changes were, first, a bunch of new internal art, a new layout, and small tweaks and errata. But thst is enough in publishing lingo, including that used by other RPGs such as Call of cthuli, to justify being called a new typical.edition.

If WotC called the 9E rulebooks the 9th Edition, that would be accurate since it will be theb9th sdt of ISBNs for the big core books, but TSR and then later WotC a used the term Edition to the point where it cannot be used rationally.

Yaarel · Dec 3, 2023

Maxperson said:
These cars all have a V6 engine. They are not all the same car. Same engine =/= same edition.

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Different flavors using the same engine?

Maxperson · Dec 3, 2023

Yaarel said:
Different flavors using the same engine?

No. Very different cars. Cars behave very differently, even if they have the same engine. Other factors like suspension(spells), quality of radio(subclasses), turn radius(feats) and other features will all make the car different from others with the same engine. Engine doesn't determine things.

Maxperson · Dec 3, 2023

Parmandur said:
Google suggests that the changes were, first, a bunch of new internal art, a new layout, and small tweaks and errata. But thst is enough in publishing lingo, including that used by other RPGs such as Call of cthuli, to justify being called a new typical.edition.

If WotC called the 9E rulebooks the 9th Edition, that would be accurate since it will be theb9th sdt of ISBNs for the big core books, but TSR and then later WotC a used the term Edition to the point where it cannot be used rationally.

The current 5e PHB is different from the one a few years ago which is different from the 2014 PHB. Every new printing they update errata to reflect sage advice rulings. Has the ISBN number changed to reflect those changes as you suggest should be the case? Did they do that for 4e and 3e(and I know 3e had such errata changes)? Because if they are updating ISBN as you say they should, then we're about to hit 50th edition or higher

Yaarel · Dec 3, 2023

Maxperson said:
No. Very different cars. Cars behave very differently, even if they have the same engine. Other factors like suspension(spells), quality of radio(subclasses), turn radius(feats) and other features will all make the car different from others with the same engine. Engine doesn't determine things.

The analogy suggests that the mechanical differences between a 2014 class and a 2024 class are drastic.

I dont see it.

Can you give a specific example of a class update that raises your eyebrows?

Maxperson · Dec 3, 2023

Yaarel said:
The analogy suggests that the class mechanical differences between a 2014 class and a 2024 class are drastic.

I dont see it.

Can you give a specific example of a class update that raises your eyebrows?

Just look at the differences between the 2014 monk and the current playtest monk. There's a reason folks are saying the new one is much better, and it's not because they are the same.

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