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Reynard

Legend
Supporter
: no doubt someone's head rolled over this, as it threatened shareholder value.
Did any heads roll over this?
But I won't hold everyone at WotC responsible,
I do. Perkins could leave today, announce a project on Kickstarter and probably make an order of magnitude more money than his annual salary. But he remains, ostensibly because his values align with those of WotC. I think it is reasonable to include him in the "bad WotC" camp.
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Did any heads roll over this?
I would expect so, but we never even got a straight answer about Mearls being shuffled off so I won't ever expect to hear about it until some journalist writes a complete tell-all in 2050 or something.
I do. Perkins could leave today, announce a project on Kickstarter and probably make an order of magnitude more money than his annual salary. But he remains, ostensibly because his values align with those of WotC. I think it is reasonable to include him in the "bad WotC" camp.
Now, this I find particularly out there. You have no way to know what part Perkins played in all this, to assign corporate blame to an individual like that is frankly absurd. WotC does not have "values," and I assume any employee is there for the money and the chance to play D&D at work rather than write ad copy or something.

Why would you expect that Perkins could get more from a Kickstarter? WotC pays top dollar in the industry, and paying for one's own health insurance, etc. can take quite a bit off the top.
 

Scribe

Legend
Did any heads roll over this?

I do. Perkins could leave today, announce a project on Kickstarter and probably make an order of magnitude more money than his annual salary. But he remains, ostensibly because his values align with those of WotC. I think it is reasonable to include him in the "bad WotC" camp.
Non-compete clauses?
 

I do. Perkins could leave today, announce a project on Kickstarter and probably make an order of magnitude more money than his annual salary. But he remains, ostensibly because his values align with those of WotC. I think it is reasonable to include him in the "bad WotC" camp.
From things I've heard him say and the way he's talked about D&D, it sounds more like he sees himself as being a steward of the game and that means a lot to him. I don't know his personal opinion on WotC but if hypothetically he didn't approve of the direction they were taking the company, I imagine he'd stick around to try to influence the direction of the game in whatever way he could. I get the feeling from the way he's talked about it that the game means that much to him.
 

bedir than

Full Moon Storyteller
I would expect so, but we never even got a straight answer about Mearls being shuffled off so I won't ever expect to hear about it until some journalist writes a complete tell-all in 2050 or something.
You don't get this information from most businesses about employees, mostly because you're asking for a lawsuit.
 


I do. Perkins could leave today, announce a project on Kickstarter and probably make an order of magnitude more money than his annual salary. But he remains, ostensibly because his values align with those of WotC. I think it is reasonable to include him in the "bad WotC" camp.
This has ventured into conjecture and personal opinions and away from actual facts. You don't know Chris Perkins. You have no idea at what level his involvement with the OGL issue was. Baseless character assassination is distasteful.
 

Baseless character assassination is distasteful.
"Character assassination" seems like hyperbole for that rather mild post by @Reynard lol.

Also, you're failing to understand that it doesn't really matter what his "level of involvement" was with the the OGL issue - the point is he neither said anything at the time, nor has said anything since, to indicate he considered it a "bad idea".

At best we can probably say he values his job and income enough that he doesn't want to rock the boat - that's fine, that's true for many of us, but when a company is being naughty, that does tend to put one on the wrong side of things.

I suspect pretty much none of WotC's actual D&D designers had much influence on the OGL decision-making.
I imagine he'd stick around to try to influence the direction of the game in whatever way he could. I get the feeling from the way he's talked about it that the game means that much to him.
I have to say, I've never really bought this line in the countless situations where people use it, not when they've been at place for decades without that change happening anyway. I'm sure plenty of people sign up to do precisely this - but if you're not seeing the change you want within a few years, you're likely leaving. If you're not seeing the change you want within a decade, and you're sticking around, well I think you're probably fooling yourself about why you're there.
Did any heads roll over this?
As far as we can tell absolutely no heads rolled.

It's a fair point that WotC wouldn't tell us, but the reality is, if anyone major had gone, the D&D nerd community would have picked it up by now, and they haven't. So it's safe to say no major heads rolled. If any heads did roll it was probably the leakers, not the people who thought this was a good idea, because it was clearly thought to be a good idea at a very high level, given the communications WotC made.
 

My real question is - when is the statute of limitations up? When will every single freakin' thread about the business side of things be ultimately hijacked by a stupid idea that was never fully implemented? Or will people still bring it up in 20 years when we're in the survival camp fighting over the last can of beans?
It's been less than a year. The OGL fiasco ended up delaying a bunch of kickstarters many of which have yet to fulfill. It's one thing to say that the OGL was only an issue among enthusiasts, like the people who populate these boards--that the general customer base of wotc did not and does not know or care. I'd agree with you. But then you'll probably have to accept that among enthusiasts--people who buy a lot of 3rd party content and support third party publishers including enworld itself--people are going to be salty about Wotc's proposal to cut off that entire branch of the hobby.

This is to say nothing that the core product that people are concerned about--the revised core books and the VTT--are not even out yet. The issue of the OGL is resolved for now but related issues are still outstanding: for example, wee know from last January that wotc wants monetization and recurrent spending and we know from a recent investor call that the future of dnd is digital. You seem to be ok or even enthusiastic about those changes, but a lot of other people are seeing a walled garden on the horizon and are less than thrilled. After everything that's happened this past year, they have a right to be suspicious.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
The other thing he said IIRC was there were higher ups who didn't seem to understand this unusual license they had and I think they were educated pretty quickly on what that license means to a lot of the community. Hopefully they don't forget and just focus on other ways of growing their brand, like focusing on improving the DDB platform to offer more cool things people that use it have been asking for. There's plenty of money to be made doing that.
Yeah and tbh the only reason I see to disbelieve him is that he was acting as spokesman for a publicly traded corporate entity.
I recall listening to a podcast by a non-hobbyist lawyer whose takeaway was that the OGL 2.0 was gobsmackingly generous by general IP standards, so it is conceivable to me having worked in situations where people walked backwards into major problems with every good intention that most people involved with this at WotC thought they were offering a sweetheart deal. Which is another reason I don't feel the need to "absolve" or "forgive" to regain "trust": corporate decision making processes can make garbage out of pure goodwill on the part of individuals.
Absolutely. The corporate structure is almost inherently corrupting, in that way. I liken it to my company at the store/district/region level. Every step from store manager up is incentivized strongly to minimize compensation, investment, and anything else that they can control that increases cost and thus reduces net profit. Because of that, very few managers operate fairly, openly, and honestly, in the best interest of those they manage. If they do, if they give fair raises and encourage employees to be open with eachother about pay (which is a strongly protected right here in CA), they make less money.
Did any heads roll over this?

I do. Perkins could leave today, announce a project on Kickstarter and probably make an order of magnitude more money than his annual salary. But he remains, ostensibly because his values align with those of WotC. I think it is reasonable to include him in the "bad WotC" camp.
This is breathtakingly ridiculous.
You don't get this information from most businesses about employees, mostly because you're asking for a lawsuit.
Yeah I’d never tell a customer what disciplinary steps I took with someone I manage. They could scream all day, they get nothing. Ever. I’d consider it a gross betrayal of everyone who works with me to do so to anyone who works with me.
 

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